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pockett AU pockett Enthusiast
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trying to keep the pot small

Dec 3, 2006 09:19 AM. Post 1
$10+$1 (real money), hand #1,327,344,152
10+1 NL Holdem Multi Table Tournament, 4 Dec 2006 01:12 AM



View Previous | Next hand for this table. Seat 1: pockett [AS,AC] ($3,010 in chips) Seat 2: HotShot 23 ($1,470 in chips) Seat 3: leoyjay ($1,920 in chips) Seat 4: gardor ($1,710 in chips) Seat 5: makipe ($1,240 in chips) Seat 6: sciamano82 ($1,510 in chips) Seat 7: DreaddLord ($2,940 in chips) Seat 8: curry297 ($1,200 in chips) Seat 9: jakatak x ($1,500 in chips) Seat 10: Mr.Deezee ($3,040 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS
DreaddLord posts blind ($10), curry297 posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
jakatak x calls $20, Mr.Deezee folds, pockett bets $100, HotShot 23 folds, leoyjay calls $100, gardor folds, makipe folds, sciamano82 calls $100, DreaddLord folds, curry297 folds, jakatak x calls $80.

FLOP [board cards 2S,8S,3H ]
jakatak x checks, pockett bets $300, leoyjay calls $300, sciamano82 folds, jakatak x folds.

TURN [board cards 2S,8S,3H,2H ]
pockett checks, leoyjay bets $1,520 and is all-in, pockett calls $1,520.

RIVER [board cards 2S,8S,3H,2H,4C ]


SHOWDOWN
leoyjay shows [ 5H,6H ]
pockett shows [ AS,AC ]
leoyjay wins $4,070.


I checked the turn here after reading many hands about keeping the pot small. If i had have bet here, pushed all in, he might have folded which could be better. Im not going to a showdown so i win the pot right there.
Was this a good time to keep the pot small or not one of those times
 
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geiststaat US geiststaat Enthusiast
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RE: trying to keep the pot small

Dec 5, 2006 10:23 AM. Post 2
In a SNG, I push this turn. In a cash game, I may check to keep the pot small. Different games I think call for different strategies. When I pick up AA in a SNG, I'm looking to take down a big pot and give myself a chance to make the money.
 
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Ken.P US Ken.P Enthusiast
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RE: trying to keep the pot small

Dec 6, 2006 04:06 PM. Post 3
Sick hand.

He had a decent implied odds hand but couldn't wait. The all-in push was as dangerous as any betting could be. He really isn't even represent well and screamed he didn't have much. He just had enough outs to get lucky with an outright gamble that paid off.

With that stack, I guess my question is: Why not let him steal at that point or make him make the tough call on the flop and never let him bluff the turn? I'd rather be the one forcing than calling -- even if I think it might be the best hand.

I've got a blog coming up in a couple of days that talks about KK but it isn't that far off from that AA. Early, I like to bet enough to steal the blinds or make someone commit while I'm ahead. The article starts off with the old saw "KK either wins a little pot or loses a big one. Who said that? Anyone who's played poker." I now want to price the implied odds callers out and if I lose it I do it on my terms. I also say it isn't that strong an EV move but I don't consider that the worst thing that can happen. I reserve the other way for when the blinds get important.
 
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Big_SlicAK US Big_SlicAK Enthusiast
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RE: trying to keep the pot small

Dec 13, 2006 09:05 AM. Post 4
He made a poor call preflop and an even worse call on the flop. It's impossible to put someone on that hand having called a preflop 5X the BB then a large flop bet.
With my read of his hand possibilitys calling earlier betting i put him on a mid to large PP or Ace and a face. I would have a hard time getting away from this hand as well. i think I would have bet the turn however as a 2nd 2 doesn't scare me. the flush draw appears and you need to protect against it.
I just read Scott Fischmans new book and his strategy early in tourn is to lay down all but nut hands to all in raises even if you think you are being bluffed. He recommends raising like you did preflop 5X the BB as people will call anything less. I know its hard to lay this down but you would still have time to recoup and recover to have have a chance in a better spot.
 
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