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sufur CA sufur Enthusiast
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RE: Absolute scandal

Feb 28, 2009 03:14 AM. Post 451
I think I've done it earlier in this thread but sincere thanks for keeping us updated guys. wink

Any time you need lessons milt, let me know happy
 
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pepechiguete DO pepechiguete Member
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RE: Absolute scandal

Mar 24, 2009 08:38 AM. Post 452
so thats how ukstevey is good in the lucky dollar !!!! ( joke happy )
 
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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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RE: Absolute scandal (just a bump - no new news)

Apr 26, 2009 05:05 AM. Post 453
safety bump
 
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Goofy IE Goofy Veteran
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RE: Absolute scandal (just a bump - no new news)

Apr 26, 2009 05:20 AM. Post 454
Ok Bumpity also.
 
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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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RE: Absolute scandal

May 13, 2009 05:29 AM. Post 455
The latest UB threads:

A very detailed chronological listing of the UB scandal by Mookman. I'm too tired to read it at the moment, but it looks excellent.

An 'I met this bloke' thread.
 
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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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RE: AP/UB scandals

Jun 26, 2009 10:12 AM. Post 456
Barry Greenstein, on 2+2, talking about the UB cheating.

It's hard to compete with all the misinformation you get on here. A high stakes player I know claims that he knows the five guys who did the playing on the cheating accounts and they don't pin it on Russ [Hamilton]. The big evidence that UB had was that some money got transferred into Russ' account from cheating accounts. The explanation that the cheaters gave is that they owed Russ the money from losing at gambling before the cheating conspiracy.

I can't guarantee Russ wasn't in on it, as I have said, but I still think this is a case that UB and the justice system could easily solve if they wanted to. UB promised that they would give the public their evidence after they pinned it on Russ, but they never did. I hope we do get the real answers because I am curious if Russ was involved.

Mike [Matusow] swears on his life that Russ cheated him, because Mike can't believe Russ could beat him legitimately. (I think Mike is a favorite over Russ at O8 also, by the way.) I have other circumstantial evidence against Russ, but I don't have any hard evidence against him.

Russ has offered to tell me what he knows about what happened, but then I'm not allowed to talk about it. I don't want to be put in that position, especially since I have no way to determine if it's the truth.

Barry

The two surnames in square brackets have been added by me. Barry was responding to accusations that he has been defending Hamilton again. The accusations involve some comments he is overheard making on a televised poker show, although it seems that the show was recorded many months ago. I'm fairly sure that the comments had already been discussed, as well. It does seem that Barry still has some doubts about just how guilty Russ Hamilton is though.

The whole AP/UB thing has been dying down recently, much to the annoyance of 2+2 poster Mookman5. Mookman keeps making new threads and trying to keep the momentum going. Here is his response to Barry's post:


Mookman5

I am not going to argue with Barry. I would like to figure a few things out. Barry said this about Mike Matusow, which is true:
Quote [in bold]:
Mike swears on his life that Russ cheated him, because Mike can't believe Russ could beat him legitimately.

Mike has also gone on the record of saying he has seen all the evidence, is certain Russ is guilty, and will take him to court later this year. So Matusow isn't just basing his opinion on the fact he got beat. Here is the interview Mike gave: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=RerIVAaIb0s

Also, Barry didn't mention how Annie came on PokerRoad radio on 12-15-08 and confirmed she is certain Russ is guilty, she has seen the evidence as well.

Now If the evidence they have both been privy to states Russ did it and they are certain, but Barry has doubts, then I think it is safe to say that UltimateBet has not been truthful and likely covered up something. Thus making Russ the fallguy.There are more than just transfers linking Russ, according to Paul Leggett, there are IP addresses, home addresses, player names, among other things.

Who owned Russ Hamilton's address and sold him the place, or maybe it was vice-versa? Who used to be the fraud manager at UB, but has then worked as a compliance officer for Russ at his BlackJack company ClubUBT, now CLUBUWIN?

These people I am not naming yet have done things to cover their tracks. Deleted pictures off the internet, changed Resume's to further themselves from Russ or UB, Were the players really able to cashout just b/c they were seen as VIP professionals, or was it b/c the person approving the Cashouts was in on it, here initials were after a few cashouts, these people changed websites after the scandal broke, go by different names after the were outed on 2+2, it goes on and on. These 3 people probably know something for sure.


The thread in question is here. I have quoted posts 94 and 104 (I suspect these numbers will change if some posts get deleted though. happy) There isn't much of interest in the thread before Barry posts.

Edited by moderator mussorgsky: (June 26, 2009)

Reason:
Tidied up the quote inside the quote (made it bold) and mended the link.

 
 
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amh11 GB amh11 Enthusiast
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RE: AP/UB scandals

Jun 26, 2009 10:50 AM. Post 457
N1 muss.

I dont think there's any doubt about RH being generally 'dodgy' if the info from various sources is true,It's just a case of is there evidence in this specific example? and the correct procedure now is undoubtably to present the 'evidence' in a court of law if the people feel it is strong enough.? Otherwise the claims and counterclaims will eventually lose focus and no final closure on the issue will ever occur.
 
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croywhale GB croywhale Enthusiast
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RE: AP/UB scandals

Jun 26, 2009 11:39 AM. Post 458
Hmmm, yeah I've been following that thread as well muss. I've gotta say I've lost some respect for barryg over his comments, from before the show, on the show and subsequently, on a subject that is undoubtably the most infamous story in modern day poker.

Before the show in threads on 2+2, barryg says "follow the money...".

On the show he says "He didn't do it, btw" after being challenged with "really?" he responds "for sure".

That is not consistent with defending 'innocent until proven guilt', that is proclaiming someone innocent without apparent evidence.

After the show and in that thread he says 5 players did the deed and transferred money to Russ as they 'owed him money from before'. ORLY? Weren't we meant to be 'following the money'?

I am impressed with Gavin Smith's opened mouth expression, like "wow, wat?". Leo man, you used to/may still have contact with GS, if you can find out what barry went on to say during the filming (and is talked/covered over by the commentator) that would be very very interesting wink.
 
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wheelerleo CA wheelerleo Pokah! addict
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RE: AP/UB scandals

Jun 26, 2009 02:04 PM. Post 459
I haven't talked to Gavin in a few months now Croy. He would tell me to just let it go anyway and then point out that it is being looked at by the proper people i.e. the people that were cheated.
I lost all respect for Barry when he made a bad call against Tom Dwan (hi-stakes poker earlier this year) and when he sucked out and won the hand instead of being a gracious winner and admitting he played the hand badly and got lucky he went on and on about how he had a feeling he was going to win and that is why he called an all-in bet after the flop. Complete and utter rubbish by a man whos poker skills I used to admire. As far as I'm concerned he can take Michael Jacksons place any time sad
 
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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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RE: AP/UB scandals

Sep 10, 2009 12:47 PM. Post 460
Apparently this guy is Hellmuth's agent.


Twitter/Brian Balsbaugh

Just a guess, but I think Ultimate Bet's "super user" cheat list will leak out like baseball's "steroid user" cheat list.


Apart from that, this is a bump. wink

Edited by moderator mussorgsky: (September 10, 2009)

Reason:
there's an 'm' in 'from'

 
 
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