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iceman za3 ZA iceman za3 Veteran
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Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:20 AM. Post 1
Curious to how some of you would of played this, I checked the flop hoping to induce a bet, the turn was a horrible card, Villian made a small bet which looks like total weakness, I re-popped it a fair bit, the river was a bad card, what do you do here? I checked it incase he had the club.

Should I have value bet the river?

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T4-85572258-12
played at "Tschoudjo" for USD TC from 2009-01-07 09:10 until 2009-01-07 09:12



Seat 1: halkta ($3,600 in chips) Seat 2: iceman za3 ($2,840 in chips) Seat 3: Schwaetzer ($5,910 in chips) Seat 4: killerrafial ($2,970 in chips) Seat 5: n74er---- ($2,920 in chips) Seat 6: Crazy_santa ($2,130 in chips) Seat 7: faustph1 ($3,330 in chips) Seat 8: sf531 ($4,910 in chips) Seat 10: greene7 ($4,390 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS
greene7 posts big blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
halkta calls $30, iceman za3 bets $155, Schwaetzer folds, killerrafial folds, n74er---- folds, Crazy_santa folds, faustph1 calls $155, sf531 folds, greene7 calls $125, halkta calls $125.

FLOP [board cards: QC 6C KD ]
greene7 checks, halkta checks, iceman za3 checks, faustph1 checks.

TURN [board cards: QC 6C KD 5C ]
greene7 checks, halkta bets $30, iceman za3 bets $375, faustph1 folds, greene7 folds, halkta calls $345.

RIVER [board cards: QC 6C KD 5C JC ]
halkta checks, iceman za3 checks.

SHOWDOWN
halkta shows [ 5S 5D ]
iceman za3 shows [ QH QD ]
iceman za3 wins $1,370.



SUMMARY
Dealer: sf531
Pot: $1,370
halkta, loses $530
iceman za3, bets $530, collects $1,370, net $840
Schwaetzer, loses $0
killerrafial, loses $0
n74er----, loses $0
Crazy_santa, loses $0
faustph1, loses $155
sf531, loses $0
greene7, loses $155
 
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Dave303909 GB Dave303909 Enthusiast
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:44 AM. Post 2
I'm not keen on the check on the flop for starters. Maybe if you were first to act you've got a chance of inducing a bet by checking, but with only one player still to act you've got to bet with that sort of board (flush/straight possibilities).

The raise on the turn is correct. He made a meaningless bet, you raised for information. The river is tricky. The only way I see him calling a bet on the river is if he has a club, so you're only going to get called by a hand that beats you. However if you bet big enough you could probably get him to lay a small club down, assuming you can put him on a hand with a small club that he'd have called pre-flop and on the turn with.
 
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croywhale GB croywhale Enthusiast
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:49 AM. Post 3
Firstly, c-bet the flop, there is an over card to your set so may get action and you want this to be a big pot. A bit of a cooler on the turn but still worthy of a sizeable bet. Complete cooler river, check behind, no value at all, nothing worse will call you.

imo happy
 
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Dave303909 GB Dave303909 Enthusiast
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:53 AM. Post 4
You could have just posted "What Dave said" croy mad
 
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iceman za3 ZA iceman za3 Veteran
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:55 AM. Post 5
Yeah the check on the flop probably wasnt the best move, when I saw the turn, I was hoping he didnt have a club.

The next time I got pocket QQ's I was all in Post flop on a harmless board.. but he had KK. sad

That was the end of that.
 
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croywhale GB croywhale Enthusiast
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 09:56 AM. Post 6
...or what Dave said mad very_happy
 
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Dave303909 GB Dave303909 Enthusiast
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 10:03 AM. Post 7

The next time I got pocket QQ's I was all
in Post flop on a harmless board.. but he had KK.


I can analyse that too happy


TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T4-85572258-20
played at "Tschoudjo" for USD TC from 2009-01-07 09:21 until 2009-01-07 09:23
Seat 1: halkta ($4,275 in chips)
Seat 2: iceman za3 ($3,590 in chips)
Seat 3: Schwaetzer ($5,865 in chips)
Seat 4: killerrafial ($2,290 in chips)
Seat 5: n74er---- ($2,860 in chips)
Seat 6: Crazy_santa ($2,055 in chips)
Seat 7: faustph1 ($2,035 in chips)
Seat 8: sf531 ($4,505 in chips)
Seat 9: prejudica ($5,340 in chips)
Seat 10: greene7 ($5,945 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
faustph1 posts small blind ($15), sf531 posts big blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
prejudica bets $105, greene7 folds, halkta folds, iceman za3 calls $105, Schwaetzer folds, killerrafial folds, n74er---- bets $600, Crazy_santa folds, faustph1 folds, sf531 folds, prejudica calls $495, iceman za3 calls $495.

FLOP [board cards: 9D,5D,2S ]
prejudica bets $450, iceman za3 bets $2,990 and is all-in, n74er---- calls $2,260 and is all-in, prejudica folds.

TURN [board cards: 9D,5D,2S,4H ]


RIVER [board cards: 9D,5D,2S,4H,9H ]


SHOWDOWN
iceman za3 shows [ QS,QD ]
n74er---- shows [ KD,KH ]
iceman za3 wins $730, n74er---- wins $6,815.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Crazy_santa
Pot: $7,545
halkta, loses $0
iceman za3, loses $2,860
Schwaetzer, loses $0
killerrafial, loses $0
n74er----, bets $2,860, collects $6,815, net $3,955
Crazy_santa, loses $0
faustph1, loses $15
sf531, loses $30
prejudica, loses $1,050
greene7, loses $0


The shove is dangerous with n74er still to act behind you, as you've got to put him on a big hand to make that re-raise pre-flop. You'd probably have been better flat calling on the flop, and if he shoves allin behind you then you're probably beat and should fold.
 
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iceman za3 ZA iceman za3 Veteran
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RE: Horrible Turn and Worse river, check or Bet?

Jan 7, 2009 10:09 AM. Post 8
Yeah that was pretty Horid, tbh I put him on either AK, JJ but not KK, and also If I had of flat called the bet I'm pretty sure he would of pushed, I would then be left with thinking what he could be holding, shoving on that board with JJ, TT would be a move he would make, so I decided to shove and let him decide.

Overall the hand pretty much played it's self out anyway.
 
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