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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 02:21 PM. Post 1
....could I have played this hand any worse?? And what do I do at the end? Flat or raise?? This hand went down at the same time as I finished a bottle of wine (something that normally means I play even better).. I was multitabling and blah blah
I won it in the end, but still, this hand was in my head the whole game.

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT,
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2009-08-14 13:15 until 2009-08-14 13:17



Seat 1: b_bob (1,500 in chips) Seat 2: Dzsolt2 (1,290 in chips) Seat 3: normal12 (1,460 in chips) Seat 4: nahojok1 (580 in chips) Seat 5: Mad_Castle (2,840 in chips) 8s9C Seat 7: schonram (2,075 in chips) Seat 8: DinMotrigg (1,490 in chips) Seat 9: KnuellerG (2,095 in chips) Seat 10: RaiffeisenZ (1,670 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS
DinMotrigg posts blind (10), KnuellerG posts blind (20).

PRE-FLOP
RaiffeisenZ folds, b_bob folds, Dzsolt2 folds, normal12 folds, nahojok1 folds, Mad_Castle calls 20, schonram folds, DinMotrigg calls 20, KnuellerG checks.

FLOP [board cards: 6S,5C,7H ]
DinMotrigg checks, KnuellerG checks, Mad_Castle checks.

TURN [board cards: 6S,5C,7H,4H ]
DinMotrigg bets 40, KnuellerG folds, Mad_Castle raises to 100, DinMotrigg calls 100.

RIVER [board cards: 6S,5C,7H,4H,JH ]
DinMotrigg bets 130, Mad_Castle ????

What now???? and why?

Edited by moderator lykanthropos: (August 14, 2009)

Reason:
forgot to mention my holecards

 
 
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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 02:23 PM. Post 2
...oh, and I got no other reads on the player except from what i pick up in this particular hand
 
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Githead1 NL Githead1 Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:06 PM. Post 3
Do you want my opinion?
 
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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:09 PM. Post 4
very_happy

YES

You know.. Since noone commented on this hand I have been thinking myself, and come up with a conclusion I can live with. But if u care to comment I will welcome it. wink
 
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Githead1 NL Githead1 Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:19 PM. Post 5
Ok well here goes wink

The guy probably has a flush. But I'd say there's a reasonable chance (more than 1 in 4) that he has something else. So pot odds wise you have to call.

He may have an 8, or he may have a 3 if he's stupid. He may be bluffing (representing a flush) with a busted club draw or an overpair or two pair or a set or Ace high.
 
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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:31 PM. Post 6
You know^^^^^^ I like that, here goes;

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-3021938-7
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2009-08-14 13:15 until 2009-08-14 13:17



Seat 1: b_bob (1,500 in chips) Seat 2: Dzsolt2 (1,290 in chips) Seat 3: normal12 (1,460 in chips) Seat 4: nahojok1 (580 in chips) Seat 5: Mad_Castle (2,840 in chips) Seat 7: schonram (2,075 in chips) Seat 8: DinMotrigg (1,490 in chips) Seat 9: KnuellerG (2,095 in chips) Seat 10: RaiffeisenZ (1,670 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS
DinMotrigg posts blind (10), KnuellerG posts blind (20).

PRE-FLOP
RaiffeisenZ folds, b_bob folds, Dzsolt2 folds, normal12 folds, nahojok1 folds, Mad_Castle calls 20, schonram folds, DinMotrigg calls 20, KnuellerG checks.

FLOP [board cards: 6S,5C,7H ]
DinMotrigg checks, KnuellerG checks, Mad_Castle checks.

TURN [board cards: 6S,5C,7H,4H ]
DinMotrigg bets 40, KnuellerG folds, Mad_Castle raises to 100, DinMotrigg calls 100.

RIVER [board cards: 6S,5C,7H,4H,JH ]
DinMotrigg bets 130, Mad_Castle calls 130.

SHOWDOWN
DinMotrigg shows [ 7S,8C ]
Mad_Castle shows [ 8S,9C ]
Mad_Castle wins 520.

I was never folding, only a flush can beat me.

My thoughts; My insta thought was that I should have taken him out and added a large chunk to my stack, and thats what bothered me for ages.

How I thought when I played it; both players check, and I seriously doubt that anyone would check that flop if they connected. I want to make the board more interesting so I check behind.

Now, on turn he bet out 40, and im thinking YES, he got the 8 or the 3, so I raise. When he flat i put him on the 3 or a possible flushdraw on turn.

He bet out 130 on the river. Him holding a 8 is out of the question imo, as he would have reraised my raise on turn. I figure if hes holding the low end of the straight and make a stop-bet he will not call much more anyway. In fear of the backdoor flush i flatcall and curse when he turn over the 8.

His weak play totally put me off this hand. He shoulda bet his open ender and top pair on flop, he shoulda reraised me on turn, and he shoulda bet more on the river.
^^^^ Thats my final conclusion.

He went out in 3rd.
 
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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:36 PM. Post 7
That said, he must do something right, I just scoped him, and he got that nice shark next to his nick.

We both thought we had the other, we both played it sneaky, I won the hand, and it felt like I lost it.
 
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Githead1 NL Githead1 Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 05:58 PM. Post 8
Yes a bit passive on his part. On the flop maybe he wanted to keep the pot small, early in the tournament. On the turn he may have been afraid you had a flush draw.

Btw I think you should definitely have put some money in the pot on the flop. :P
 
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MarcMacHine GB MarcMacHine Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 06:11 PM. Post 9
I think the way it turned out was reasonable for the early stages of a STT. You'd play it differently in a cash game, no?
 
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sufur CA sufur Enthusiast
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RE: How many ways.....

Aug 14, 2009 06:19 PM. Post 10
I don't really mind the way either of you played this on the flop. You don't want to scare them off and I think crai or c/c might be better then betting in his position.

I'm not sure why he'd 3bet the turn, people rarely raise draws on the turn in tournaments so he's not worried about letting you have a free card. He's also likely to fold out any worse hands. Only problem is a heart might kill action, not that he necessarily expects to get a ton of value from his hand.

Git, not sure what you meant by villain thinking kim had a flush draw and that's why he didn't 3bet. If, for whatever reason, he put kim on hearts than that'd be a perfect time to get value, considering he won't put in any more chips if he misses his flush.

I think thinking villain has a flush draw on the turn is a legitimate concern, Kim. Even so, I think we have to raise to about 300 on the river. You can get paid off by a large portion of his range and he *might* not even reraise Q high flushes or worse and almost never reraises anything you beat(meaning you can safely fold if he shoves).

Meh, being a sng it might be best to just flat the river. It's a close one.

Great turn, horrid river. ul

Fold preflop, btw. wink
 
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