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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 07:04 PM. Post 1
Roland de Wolfe (Brit) v German chappy (Tobias Reinkemeier). Much of the vid is in German.

RDW bluffs river. He gets called. He shows one card - he has K high. Opponent asks to see both cards - he has called, after all, and has the right. RDW folds, rather than show the entire bluff. Oppo jubilantly tables Q high, and fistpumps. He is awarded the hand, but RDW complains. Result stands.

German chappy appears to have called knowing that RDW folds called bluffs. Your thoughts, please.

Edited by moderator mussorgsky: (September 09, 2009)

Reason:
spelled 'Roland' wrong. sad

 
 
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monkey11 CA monkey11 Pokah! addict
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 07:12 PM. Post 2
if he mucked his card, he loses. should have turned the hand up.
 
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wheelerleo CA wheelerleo Pokah! addict
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:12 PM. Post 3
Monkey is right, RDW killed his hand. He has no-one to blame but himself.
That took alot of immagination and creativity on the part of the German to think of that.
 
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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Senior member
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:19 PM. Post 4
The guy who flippd over the card loses.
 
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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Senior member
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:27 PM. Post 5
Should this be debatable?
Surely in poker there are rules about this.
 
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wheelerleo CA wheelerleo Pokah! addict
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:30 PM. Post 6
In Rolands defence, after watching it a second time, he did say King high after showing the King and only mucked it when the other guy asked to see both cards a second time.
Although the pot has to go to the German because Roland mucked, I will now add that is a very greasy move on the part of the German as well.
I would not give any respect to the German.
I have never been a Roland DeWolf fan but feel he was unjustly robbed but still has no-one to blame but himself for refusing to show his other card. Even the dealer tried to keep them out of the muck but was to slow. Because his hand was declaired dead the dealer should not have exposed his hand and should now have to go back to dealer school.
 
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lykanthropos NO lykanthropos Enthusiast
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:39 PM. Post 7
If RDW mucked his hand he is out and its his own fault offcourse. However, was this hand officially mucked? The dealer stopped RDW from putting the cards in the muck, and he flipped it over as well.

Bad table-maner of RDW for sure as the German gentleman called and got the right to see his cards. Sometimes u call even if you know you are behind, if only to buy information.

I dont buy that this was planned by the German because he knows that RDW muck his cards on a called bluff. If it was, why would he ask to see the other card?? Seeing both cards surely means that the hand can not get mucked.(?)
I think he called cause he might thought his Q was good, or to show that he is not going anywhere if RDW keeps it up.

Everything considered I think I would have given the pot to the German myself, but its a strange scenario for sure.
 
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_WINGMAN_ AU _WINGMAN_ Enthusiast
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:42 PM. Post 8
I like this happy

Opponent asks to see both cards
 
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mussorgsky GB mussorgsky Enthusiast
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:52 PM. Post 9
My views on this video changed while it was discussed on another forum. I went from thinking it was an angle shoot to deciding that Reinkemeier was in the right, albeit being a little douchey in the way he acted.

RDW has to table his cards. He has been called. The dealer actually tries to stop him mucking the cards. RDW won't have it, and forces them in there.

The fistpump is outrageous, but these things happen. RDW has only himself to blame.

The dealer has been somewhat blamed on the other forum too, but I'm not sure that it's valid. After all, the caller is voicing his right to see the cards. The dealer is not to know that the caller is doing this for tactical reasons. He thinks the caller has a right to see the cards, and so he shows them.

This is why he was trying to keep them from the muck. He thinks they should still be live, because the caller is demanding to see them.

I've never played live. Does the called player have the right to muck instead of showing, or not?

In a way, everybody gets the worst of both worlds, and then the ruling comes out in favour of Reinkemeier (correctly, imo). I'm not sure that it's right to criticise the dealer here, although some other people are indeed doing so.

Edited by moderator mussorgsky: (September 09, 2009)

Reason:
meh typo

 
 
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_WINGMAN_ AU _WINGMAN_ Enthusiast
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RE: Live play: what's your ruling?

Sep 9, 2009 08:55 PM. Post 10
He only asks to see the other card in the hope that the dude muckshappy

But what's with the dealer playing snap with the dudes cards,, Is he allowed to do that. The dude hadn't actually let go of his cards surprised
 
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