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zorgalfish US zorgalfish Enthusiast
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Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 20, 2005 01:22 PM. Post 1
Hey all...

I can safely say that 1020 offers absolutely expert advice on MTT's, and it's great to see him on the group list. Hey 1020- would you be so kind as to post the summary of Sklansky"s MTT system here? Z-Fish
 
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1020holdem US 1020holdem Enthusiast
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 21, 2005 04:52 PM. Post 2
Here you go group - I rarely miss the money using this system and if it works for me I suspect it will also work for you since you are all likely better coin flippers than me.

1 - you always bet 1/2 your stack preflop or fold – yes Sklansky says to go all in but I think that is rather silly – ½ your stack does the same thing (only thing to question is if someone comes over the top of you then what?)

2 - first three or four rounds you sit and watch - no need to make a move until the blinds are up to $50 - $100 or more - unless you get AA or KK (on the button against the blinds) - otherwise wait – BTW waiting three rounds will mean your stack is at $1,350.

3 - for BB free looks or 1/2 blind to see the flop in the SB you can go ahead and see the flop but do not get yourself trapped in a sucker play with top pair and a good kicker against a stack that brings you all in - just lay that down and wait. No slow playing two pair or a set on the flop if you are lucky enough to get that - put your chips in the middle right away - all of them – or at least enough to match the pot.

4 - PLEASE TIME the blinds religiously - now I have written about this before but I watch flockers and few if any give a darn about this - let me explain it again in english - there is a clock on the blind changes and if you make it so the blind changes when you move to the button (dealer position each time around) you are a few percentages better off than the table and you will hurt them at some point. ALWAYS TIME THE BLINDS - even when there are two tables left and there is no point to stalling - that is what the moron's say - well there is always a point to stall - time your blinds and see how smart everyone else is when the blinds go from $4K - $8K to $5K - $10K - well you just saved $3K for 8 hands - in those 8 hands if you catch a monster then you are $3K better off times the number of suckers who call you - think about it!

5 - OK the sklansky system:

Get a calculator out.

There is a key number that will determine to a good degree whether you go all in or not on a hand - here is how it works - 1 - divide the total of the blinds into your stack - if the blinds are 10 - 20 and you have 1,500 then 1500 / 30 = 50 - please note that there is an exception if someone coming into the hand has less chips than you then you use his chip count to make this calculation.

2 - multiply the resulting number by the number of players still to play (including the blinds) - so if you were two seats to the right of the dealer button with nobody in the hand then you would multiply your number by four (4) - or 4 X 50 = 200.

3 - if someone has gone all in before you then reraise all in with AA or KK or AK suited - otherwise fold.

4 - If there are limpers who came in before you multiply the key number by the number of limpers plus one - in our example imagine 2 lame limpers then (2+1) X 200 = 600.

Now the formula:

if your key number is - A - 400 or more - you go all in with AA

B - 200 to 399 - you go with AA or KK

C - 150 to 199 - you go with AA, KK, QQ, or AK

D - 100 to 149 - you go with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK

E - 80 to 99 - you go with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ, KQ, any Ax suited or any no gap suited connector down to 54

F - 60 to 79 - you go with any pair, any Ax, KQ, any Kx suited, and any suited connector or one gap suited connector (ie 9 7 suited)

G - 40 to 59 - you go all in with any pair, any Ax, Kx, any suited connector or one gap connector

H - 20 to 39 - you go with any pair, Ax, Kx, any suited connector or one gap connector or any two suited cards

I - 1 to 19 - you go with any two cards.

6 1020 personal obervation - watch the ratio of people getting busted out in each hand to the total number of people in the tourney and if this number exceeds 2% just sit and wait until it falls below 2% - in other words if you are in a tourney with 700 players and 14 are busted out each hand then wait until this number falls below 14 to use the sklansky system above - odds are you are going to be hurt by a setup hand and busted out too (since in all probability you are a short stacked).

7 1020 personal observation - try to attack the shorter stacks when you go all in - this is a piece of advise that ties into the big stack theory late in a tourney - you will be amazed to see big stack dogs call and all in and win. It happens all the time. It is the nature of chaos theory and not some rigged software conspiracy theory.

8 no big surprise here - play the tourney to make it into the money at first - once you make it into the money play to make it into the top 20 players, if you make it to top 20 play for top 10, then play for top 8, top 5, top 3, top 2, then go crazy and win this damn tourney.

As an aside you will note that rarely does the big stack at the final table win the tourney - so if you want to win a tournament never get to the final table as the chip leader.

In case you folks do not understand the value in stalling drop me an email and I will do my best to explain it to you in english (info@onlinetexasholdem.com).

You asked for it - now go use it and thank DS later.

Regards,

Christopher Holden (aka 1020holdem)
http://www.onlinetexasholdem.com
 
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LuckyPirhana GB LuckyPirhana Enthusiast
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 21, 2005 05:29 PM. Post 3
I totally disagree in playing this way! Steps 1 to 3 are ridiculous.
 
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zorgalfish US zorgalfish Enthusiast
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 21, 2005 08:37 PM. Post 4
Hey Agg-

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on points 2 and 3. I understand Sklansky's thinking about point 1, but I don't have the energy or time this very moment to elaborate....and must admit I don't always follow it.

HOWEVER- I think point 2 has a lot of merit, ESPECIALLY in online tourneys. The opportunities to get trapped are RIDICULOUS early in a Pokerroom tourney, and the murky and confused hands can happen one right after the other. Everyone is fishing around and so many players are on drawing hands that too much activity early for me almost always spells trouble.

THE ONLY FINAL TABLES and WINS I've managed to get have been in tourneys where I had hardly any reason to act much at all in the early stages, until blinds were 50-100.

I think the even more important part of Sklansky's approach is the key number system and the value of starting hands. Undoubtedly, Pokerroom No Limit players OVERVALUE a rather long list of hands and OVERPLAY these hands....when this succeeds it is entirely due to luck. I do it too, and of course I'm as pleased as anyone when my preflop dog wins a huge pot. Notice, for example, that KJ is NOT EVEN RANKED in Sklansky's system...KJ suited comes in when your stack is pitifully small relative to the blinds. It amazes me how often I see players OVERCALLING with KJ OFFSUIT. In my experience, they almost always lose.

I have a whole slew of arguments to make about overplaying AQ, but AQ does seem to be a Pokerroom darling hand, and it has sucked out on my much stronger hands many times, when players should not even BE IN the hand with AQ to begin with....

Z-Fish
 
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DalCryboy US DalCryboy Veteran
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 21, 2005 09:31 PM. Post 5
Excellent food for thought. Thanks 1020.

I find myself following most of these rules already as I try to pattern after Dan Harrington... I don't mind the predictablity since most of the players - paticularly later in a tourney know I'm not raising 4x the BB with anything less than JJ - AA and maybe slick suited. Some take their chances and the ones who especially got lucky and sucked out a few huge pots to get deep into a tourney usually end up paying dearly.

The really fun part for me like harrington is when smaller stacks let you limp in and you catch the 8-5 on the flop or completely bluff a j 8 2 rainbow flop. If the Mo Jo is really going on and I am in fifth gear I'll try bluffing a relatively similar stack of a solid but tight player with nothing key is having the guts of raising preflop in order to set up the appearance of credibility. In order to really excel I find there had to be some expert bluffing combined with catching of hands and of course some luck... in order to go deep in good condition heading to a final table.

Completely agree with focus on key benchmarks in tourneys the ones I do best in I am usually focused on making money then top 10 then final table and then spot by spot hoping to make a move when there are about 5 left...

Point 4 is one I'll have to try and observe in action. My head is still spinning after reading it a few times but I get the gist of it. Has to be a method to the madness of play something outside of the top tier hands because let's face it we've all been in that situation where the cards run stone cold after a decent start... Excellent stuff 1020. One other piece guys remember that alot of these "experts" are talking about 10 person tables when in reality once the blinds start going up 4 hands start becoming the max and very often we find ourselves head to head. That is where some hands in my book get upgraded to monster hands such as 77 and up PP and AQ and AJ start looking mighty monster like. Especially 99. Many people in PR will call aggressive Pre flop raises pr even re raise with slick or AQ or AJ... if you feel there is not a PP on the other side then 99 becomes huge.
 
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rodeoclown US rodeoclown Pooh-Bah
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 21, 2005 11:31 PM. Post 6
On point 3 if someone goes allin before you and you reraise all in with AK suited, you are going to be the underdog to any PP and most often lose most of your chips.
 
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Da Big Chief US Da Big Chief Pokah! addict
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 22, 2005 09:48 AM. Post 7
Interesting read 1020. I'm still digesting it though.
 
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1020holdem US 1020holdem Enthusiast
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RE: Glad to see 1020 in the group

Feb 22, 2005 09:34 PM. Post 8
Hey Aggi,

I know your game well.

You play a lot of hands - and I like your style - however for those of us who are not blessed with a genetic disposition to play texas holdem we just play the waiting game and steal blinds until we hit our rush - take what the game gives us and then wait some more. If you have any better ideas lay it out there?

Regards,

Chris (aka 1020holdem)
 
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