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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Member
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Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 11:18 AM. Post 1
Bear with me on this and remember i know nothing about computers. I understand how it works at the end of the day but i was wondering?
(1)i presume someone writes a programme which becomes software which is put onto a computer which becomes this RCG/ Im not to sure if this is so.
(2)Is one RCG used for all games or is it a series of comps linked up in some way that each cope with a single type of game or level of play?
(3) Do all poker sites use the same RCG system. If not some would be more efficient than others. I was thinking alone the lines the cards would be dealt at and such.
(4) Is this created by each poker site individually or do they get it say on licence from an independent source.
(5) If this broke down what kind of backup system do they use.

I might sound stupid asking some of these points but if you dont ask you dont learn.
 
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Kolinar CA Kolinar Enthusiast
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 12:08 PM. Post 2
Very good questions spot. I too, have no idea about any of these programmes so I also look forward to learning about them.

You're never too old to learn, and I guess you and I can truthfully say we "fill the bill" for this old adage, well, I do anyway.
 
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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Member
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 06:05 PM. Post 3
Post a picture of a RCG . Can anyone ? I have no idea.
very_happy
 
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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Member
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 06:09 PM. Post 4
Kolinar and i will have to live in the dark . Or who knows Maybe nobody knows the answers . Remember we know how it works in end state. Thats not what im asking very_happy
 
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SavageJug US SavageJug Pooh-Bah
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 06:18 PM. Post 5
I have learned one thing about Random Card Generators in my years of playing online poker.

Random Card Generators....aren't.
 
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spot_the_dot GB spot_the_dot Member
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 06:36 PM. Post 6
Well i reckon your wrong. .
The machine that picks the premium Bond winners must be akin to this . Its a random number indicater. I presume its been up dated afew times since 50 years ago.
But i wanted to know not the end resuld but just how it operates and how you build one and if diff sites ad diff ones operating with diff efficiences.
 
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keisari3 FI keisari3 Senior member
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Jun 23, 2008 06:37 PM. Post 7
There are a lot of different kind of random number generator(RNG)softwares, all used for their specific purposes.
For online-poker there are also quite a few, that the major sites use. Explaining the way that they function in detail is a little too much work, but I can try to do so in a nutshell.

Firstly: There is no way, that any RNG-software can work the same way, that a real human dealer can. After all there are almost an infinate number of possible ways to arrange a deck, to be excact: 8065817517094878571660636856404
000000000000000 ways very_happy.
Because of this the RNG are usually limited to a certain number of possible deals. The different types of RNGs do the shuffle in different ways and by different algorithms. However a truly random shuffle is not possible, bacause of the infinate number of possibilitys. The software shufflers provide a huge number of variance, but are not "truly random". The RNG, that ongame uses is based on continuing shuffle. This means, that the RNG shuffles the deck throuhout the whole hand. Some sites use a RNG that shuffles the deck only once, like in a "real world-shuffle", but I think that the continuing shuffle is much safer in terms of hacking etc. What algoritmhs are used for the RNGs is classified information (at least to my knowledge, correct me if I´m wrong).
To make this even more simpler. You can think of this as a program that draws cards from the deck randomly untill someone (the algorithm or the events at the table) stop the program and which ever card is at the top of the deck at that moment is then delt to the table.

That´s it in all it´s simplicity and complexity...someone correct me if I´m wrong here, I´m not an expert on this issue. happy
 
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The.Mouse AU The.Mouse Senior member
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Jun 23, 2008 06:39 PM. Post 8
just didnt quite get it K... could you tell us again plse
 
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keisari3 FI keisari3 Senior member
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RE: Random Card Generaters. Not the usual stuff.

Jun 23, 2008 06:42 PM. Post 9
Sure I can very_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happyvery_happy






























There are a lot of different kind of random number generator(RNG)softwares, all used for their specific purposes.
For online-poker there are also quite a few, that the major sites use. Explaining the way that they function in detail is a little too much work, but I can try to do so in a nutshell.

Firstly: There is no way, that any RNG-software can work the same way, that a real human dealer can. After all there are almost an infinate number of possible ways to arrange a deck, to be excact: 8065817517094878571660636856404
000000000000000 ways very_happy.
Because of this the RNG are usually limited to a certain number of possible deals. The different types of RNGs do the shuffle in different ways and by different algorithms. However a truly random shuffle is not possible, bacause of the infinate number of possibilitys. The software shufflers provide a huge number of variance, but are not "truly random". The RNG, that ongame uses is based on continuing shuffle. This means, that the RNG shuffles the deck throuhout the whole hand. Some sites use a RNG that shuffles the deck only once, like in a "real world-shuffle", but I think that the continuing shuffle is much safer in terms of hacking etc. What algoritmhs are used for the RNGs is classified information (at least to my knowledge, correct me if I´m wrong).
To make this even more simpler. You can think of this as a program that draws cards from the deck randomly untill someone (the algorithm or the events at the table) stop the program and which ever card is at the top of the deck at that moment is then delt to the table.

That´s it in all it´s simplicity and complexity...someone correct me if I´m wrong here, I´m not an expert on this issue.






Did this help bilbo very_happy
 
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The.Mouse AU The.Mouse Senior member
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Jun 23, 2008 06:43 PM. Post 10
:P
 
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