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Jonny Chip  Jonny Chip Enthusiast
Posts: 804 		 

Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 04:35 PM. Mensaje 1
Its half an hour into the daily silver, pretty card dead all night.
Table is pretty passive, a lot of calls pre flop and a lot of checked flops.

In the BB and the following happens

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T4-71649825-19
played at "Ziguinchor" for USD TC from 2008-07-08 16:23 until 2008-07-08 16:24
Seat 1: --aFISH4u2nv ($3,145 in chips)
Seat 2: LOCOFIVE ($1,550 in chips)
Seat 3: Big-G6909 ($2,395 in chips)
Seat 4: Jonny Chip ($1,395 in chips)
Seat 5: celinagp ($4,645 in chips)
Seat 6: earthwizard ($2,120 in chips)
Seat 7: rockstacker ($2,225 in chips)
Seat 8: jools63 ($845 in chips)
Seat 9: Zilgsche ($1,440 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Big-G6909 posts blind ($15), Jonny Chip posts blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
celinagp folds, earthwizard calls $30, rockstacker folds, jools63 folds, Zilgsche folds, --aFISH4u2nv folds, LOCOFIVE calls $30, Big-G6909 calls $15, Jonny Chip bets $100, earthwizard folds, LOCOFIVE calls $100, Big-G6909 calls $100.

FLOP [board cards: TD 7C 2H ]
Big-G6909 checks, Jonny Chip bets $200, LOCOFIVE calls $200, Big-G6909 calls $200.

TURN [board cards: TD 7C 2H JH ]
Big-G6909 checks, Jonny Chip bets $500, LOCOFIVE folds, Big-G6909 calls $500.

RIVER [board cards: TD 7C 2H JH QH ]
Big-G6909 checks, Jonny Chip checks.

SHOWDOWN
Big-G6909 shows [ 5H 8H ]
Jonny Chip shows [ TC AD ]
Big-G6909 wins $2,020.
SUMMARY
Dealer: LOCOFIVE
Pot: $2,020
--aFISH4u2nv, loses $0
LOCOFIVE, loses $330
Big-G6909, bets $830, collects $2,020, net $1,190
Jonny Chip, loses $830
celinagp, loses $0
earthwizard, loses $30
rockstacker, loses $0
jools63, loses $0
Zilgsche, loses $0


I had put him on maybe KT..possibly sooted, so the last heart was a bit of a scare card for me hence the check

No way i put him on 5H, 8H

I'm thinking maybe my half pot raise on the flop was too small with 2 callers pre flop

Should I have bet more and looked to take down the pot there and then?

I was of the opinion it was a pretty perfect flop for my AT

Thoughts/abuse now

Cheers
JC
 
 

Jeff_Wood  Jeff_Wood Senior member
Posts: 3312 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 04:47 PM. Mensaje 2
1 dont raise this hand pf oop. They arent going to fold anyway. Due to the raise you will be playing a large pot with (being oop) a marginal hand to play. Its hard getting cheap info if your hand is ok when you actually do hit.

2 the flopbet is reasonable. I would bet about 3/4 here. Want to end the hand here anyway or play for stacks.

3 If you think you re ahead on the turn with the 500 you re commited. I like shoving better.

And basically they are just idiots. You did get your chips in being a huge favorite.
 
 

Bangkoker  Bangkoker Enthusiast
Posts: 574 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 04:48 PM. Mensaje 3
..and 2 overcards to your 10.. plus straight and flush possible.. I dont dislike it at all.. what can you do? against a low runner runner flush, you tried to bet the flop.. the turn when the jack comes starts getting hardsad
 
 

Jonny Chip  Jonny Chip Enthusiast
Posts: 804 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 05:03 PM. Mensaje 4
Thanks Jeff


The only reason I did raise it oop was I had gone 2-3 rounds without seeing a flop, that plus the pre flop calls resulted in me having a stab. Ur prob right tho

1 dont raise this hand pf oop. They arent going to fold anyway. Due to the raise you will be playing a large pot with (being oop) a marginal hand to play. Its hard getting cheap info if your hand is ok when you actually do hit.




Defo should have bet more

2 the flopbet is reasonable. I would bet about 3/4 here. Want to end the hand here anyway or play for stacks.



Thanks Bangk, didnt put him on the straight as with AK I would have expected a pre flop raise, 89 maybe more believable, truth is my gut tld me he didnt havemuch...and it was righ until the river

..and 2 overcards to your 10.. plus straight and flush possible.. I dont dislike it at all.. what can you do? against a low runner runner flush, you tried to bet the flop.. the turn when the jack comes starts getting hardsad
 
 

Bangkoker  Bangkoker Enthusiast
Posts: 574 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 05:13 PM. Mensaje 5
Well although you think he could have a flush, you can never put him on two low hearts, just donked.mad
 
 

TorbenDK  TorbenDK Enthusiast
Posts: 2943 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 05:18 PM. Mensaje 6
I love his call on the flop.. you can really tell how he incorporates math into his game... figuring out odds and outs.. just awesome..
 
 

earthwizard  earthwizard Enthusiast
Posts: 872 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 05:31 PM. Mensaje 7
figuring out odds and outs

LMAO

this is pokerroom do people actually do that cause i no in the games i play (oh8) there clueless..
 
 

TorbenDK  TorbenDK Enthusiast
Posts: 2943 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 8, 2008 05:37 PM. Mensaje 8
lol... well it isn't the easiest thing to do in oh8 in the first place..

... my rule of thumb in that game - which I never play - is if my hand is made on the flop... fold... unless it's quads or str fl (wheel)
 
 

marsvolta77  marsvolta77 Senior member
Posts: 704 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 10, 2008 04:32 AM. Mensaje 9
I'm sorry, but the way you played that hand was spewlicious.

You're in the BB with the ridiculously marginal hand ATo and 2 limpers and the SB completing.
Whats with raising 100?.... This is going to get 1 fold at best. The reason why its so bad though is that you're in horrible position.
As Jeff said, you're needlessly bloating the size of the pot with a subpar hand, and **** position.... This can only set yourself up for trouble.
If you're serious about raising, make it 3+1 for every limper and then add another 1 or 2 because you're oop.
i.e. bump it up to 220 or so.
This isn't something id recommend though cause people are dumb and call with their **** because they have "implied odds" (i.e. they think they have implied odds, but they dont even know what implied means).

For the rest of the hand, I dont hate the way you played it and I dont live it (all pretty meh).... you've put yourself in a position early in a tournament where you're effectively playing for stacks when you shouldn't be.

The flop is about as good as you can hope for... You obviously cant just check it (why raise if you're going to check top pair), but your hand is still fairly marginal. i'd bet 250 but hate that I had put myself in this god awful position....

You get 2 callers.... seriously time to check/fold... throw your hand in the muck...
It looks like you're playing spastics though. Still, if you are playing retards, then the sure fire way to lose to them is to play marginal hands oop... You will lose everytime.

Its convenient that you range him as having 1 particular hand (KT) in which you're slightly ahead... I guess it allows you to justify your play easier?
How did you come up with this range anyway? did you pick the hand that you hoped he had the most and pray?

Yeah, im being overly harsh, but I cant help it with a hand such as this.

1 thing that will help you start playing better: POSITION.

Raise J2o from the button rather than AQs from the BB
 
 

ratty_2004  ratty_2004 Veteran
Posts: 7077 		 

RE: Thoughts?

Jul 10, 2008 05:22 AM. Mensaje 10
I heart Mars. happy
 
 
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